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| I wonder if anyone can advise about the following ..
Olga is currently in St. Petersburg, trying to secure a date for our summer wedding. She has all of my necessary documents (prepared by RR): Certificate of no Impediment and passport, all translated, etc; and a copy of my Russian visa. She has visited and telephoned the various ZAGS offices.
At the moment, she is being told by all that they cannot give us a date prior to my arrival in Russia - they need to see my Registration and travel documents (ticket showing when I'll be leaving Russia).
Maybe I've misunderstood, but I believed that, with the necessary documents, Olga would be able to secure a date for our wedding without me being present. I'm sure that I've read other stories on here, where the fiancee alone has managed to secure a date. The RR site mentions:
"Once you have your receipt for payment, this and the rest of the documents should be presented to the registry office in Russia that you intend to marry at, you don't both have to go, just one of the couple is OK ...."
The ZAGS officers have been quite kind, intimating that, when I arrive and register in Russia, they'll "probably be able to accommodate us" within the limits of my current visa.
However, I wonder if anyone with experience could give some advice. Olga will be in Spb for another couple of days - is there anything else that she / I / we can do to secure a marriage date now?
Cheers, in anticipation, for any advice ..
Adam
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Location: Redcar & Lermontov Nr Pyatigorsk | Adam, the information given at various places on the RR site is correct, usually its quite permissible for the g/f only to secure a date. Whilst we did not do this (we opted to try to break the rules and do it in one trip, successfully thank goodness).. there are a number of members who have quite successfully achieved what you have tried to do.
My only thoughts are that, there being a requirement for the ZAGS director to notify the FSB - that things have been tightening up in this dept of late.
Interesting because in the second part of your post, the ZAGS director seems to suggest that the one visit method might be ok. If thats the case.. then perhaps that is your route?
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Location: Edinburgh/Tula/Bogoroditsk | I went the same route as the OP and successfully made my wedding arrangements without being present at the ZAGS although they did ask if I would drop by with my paperwork the day before(which I did) and I also made an informal visit to the ZAGS during a previous visit to Bogoroditsk 10 monthes before the wedding as my wife knew some of the staff within the ZAGS there.
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Location: Redcar & Lermontov Nr Pyatigorsk | Bowie Fan - 2012-05-30 12:06 PM
I wonder if anyone with experience could give some advice. Olga will be in Spb for another couple of days - is there anything else that she / I / we can do to secure a marriage date now?
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| DeaconStreet - 2012-05-31 9:21 AM
Bowie Fan - 2012-05-30 12:06 PM
I wonder if anyone with experience could give some advice. Olga will be in Spb for another couple of days - is there anything else that she / I / we can do to secure a marriage date now?
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One ZAGS office has now told Olga that the registration and proof of travel dates might not be necessary.
But, along with the documents that I've already provided, they'll need a signed, translated and apostilled copy of the 'registration for marriage' document which Olga now has in her hand. Olga is currently trying to get this document scanned and emailed to me.
Any ideas? How can I get the document translated and apostilled - quickly?! I'm guessing the 'quickly' bit won't be too easy?
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| Just reading on the RR site, I think we're at this stage:
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Once you have your receipt for payment, this and the rest of the documents should be presented to the registry office in Russia that you intend to marry at, you don't both have to go, just one of the couple is OK. If the registry inspector is satisfied with the presented documents they will give you an application form to complete, this is pretty simple though as it is all in Russian it is better if you get someone you trust (your future spouse?) to complete on your behalf and then all you need to do is sign it.
Once you hand over the completed application form, assuming all is correct, you will be given a date for your wedding.
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But it looks as if they want some sort of translation and apostille of this - bit strange, seeing as it would be a Russian document with just my signature? |
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Location: Redcar & Lermontov Nr Pyatigorsk | someone in the ZAGS is giving your g/f the wrong information.
As you said in yr last post - there is no logic at all to what they are saying.
Possibly you should give RR in London (Bill?) a very quick call? |
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Location: London | the application form doesn't need to be translated or apostilled.
The form is in Russian and has to be completed in Russian. You just need to sign it.
The alternative is to go to Russia and turn up at the ZAGS with your fiance, fill in the form, explain that you only have a tourist visa and they will give you a date within two weeks. Be nice an d smile and let your fiance do all the talking.
There is some more info here: http://www.realrussia.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3412&p... |
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| Malcolm - 2012-05-31 10:38 AM
The alternative is to go to Russia and turn up at the ZAGS with your fiance, fill in the form, explain that you only have a tourist visa and they will give you a date within two weeks. Be nice an d smile and let your fiance do all the talking.
Thanks a lot ..
I've called Bill and am awaiting a return call for advice.
Malcolm - "They will give you a date within two weeks" - do you reckon that's pretty certain, or just possible, 50/50? It's looking like we're going to need to hope for the same result that both yourself and Roy had in the past.
Any stories of couples not being given a date when they take this route?
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Location: London | Nothing wrong with a bit of Hellenic rambling. Talking of which, I haven't seen the old Greek around for a while. |
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Location: London | Never heard of anyone being refused. It might happen out in the vast wastelands of Russia but not in Moscow or St. Pete.
I had the same concerns as you but when we came the ZAGS it wasn't really a problem, my wife just had to write a letter, which the senior registrar dictated, explaining why we needed a date within the stipulated time frame and it was all OK. You can offer the registrar a small gift as a token of your appreciation if you feel so inclined but its not a deal breaker if you don't. Your fiance will understand these things and you should go with her guidance on such matters.
Don't worry, it will all work out OK. Just make sure you have all the right documents translated and apostilled. |
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| Cheers Malcolm,
Okay, after reading your thread and other information posted by Gary on this thread: http://www.realrussia.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1380&s... it's all making more sense now. Olga had been hurtling around Spb, visiting the various ZAGS offices, and has received slightly conflicting advice at each of them.
However, the missing document appears to be the one mentioned by Gary on his thread (he has posted an example PDF in English). Basically I should have done my homework a bit better.
Olga has my translated / apostilled CNI and passport, but I now realise that, in order to secure a date without me being present, she also needs this 'letter of consent'. It seems a bit daft really - surely my CNI is proof enough that I actually want to marry her.
So it looks like we'll be taking our chances when we arrive in Spb - I'm kind of hoping for a scenario which is as hilarious as yours was Malcolm. At least all four ZAGS offices have confirmed that my CNI and passport are perfectly acceptable and in order. So just to confirm:
When we visit the ZAGS offices together, my translated & apostilled CNI and passport are all we'll need. For sure, I'll take along my passport, visa, travel tickets and Registration documents also;
A translated & apostilled 'letter of consent' will NOT be necessary - or is this still necessary, even if I'm present?
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Location: London | You don't need the letter of consent if you are present at the time of application.
All will be well, good luck.
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| Great, I'm sure all will be fine. As mentioned previously, one particular ZAGS office has intimated to Olga that, "we'll have a date for you".
Just thinking ahead a little:
Do they offer you more than one copy of your marriage certificate?
Does the marriage certificate need to translated into English, certified, apostilled, etc in preparation for the future Spouse visa application?
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Location: Redcar & Lermontov Nr Pyatigorsk | at the time - only one was offered to us and we still only have one - still in its original form. we sent a 'copy' in with the settlement visa application. never needed the document since.
its a lot of expensive paper innit. tesco's are doing a special this week: 2x 9-roll packs of Andrex for £8 and they give a 10p a litre petrol voucher when you buy. |
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Location: London | You only get one copy. You will need to have the marriage certificate translated, notarised and apostilled for spouse visa application and a few other things like bank accounts, driving licence etc. This can be done in St. Petersburg. |
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Location: Redcar & Lermontov Nr Pyatigorsk | I have just been corrected regards my previous post. we did have the marriage certificate translated etc for the spouse visa application. I recall now that this was done in Russia by Natalias team at RR.. I'd forgotten as this was a bit that my wife had organised. Apologies for any confusion. |
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| Still a little unclear as regards the requirements for the Russian Marriage Certificate.
When we apply for the Spouse visa, does this certificate need to be notarised and apostilled? Or does it just need to be translated?
I note Malcolm's comment above, but the info on RR seems to suggest that only the translation is necessary:
www.realrussia.co.uk/visas/uk/Check%20List%20for%20Settlement%20(Spouse).pdf
Many thanks
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Location: Redcar & Lermontov Nr Pyatigorsk | I've just looked through my emails from 3 yrs ago and have found this from Natalia in RR (Moscow):
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"Please may I ask you to pay £45 for the translations of 3 documents into English ( Yr wife’s Birth certificate; Divorce certificate and your marriage certificate)."
I recalled earlier that the cost wasnt much and this email extract suggests that only these translations were required. There was no apostillation (is that a word?) and no notarising..
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Location: Edinburgh/Tula/Bogoroditsk | DeaconStreet - 2012-06-08 1:02 PM
I've just looked through my emails from 3 yrs ago and have found this from Natalia in RR (Moscow):
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"Please may I ask you to pay £45 for the translations of 3 documents into English ( Yr wife’s Birth certificate; Divorce certificate and your marriage certificate)."
I recalled earlier that the cost wasnt much and this email extract suggests that only these translations were required. There was no apostillation (is that a word?) and no notarising..
HTH
I don't recall being asked to pay anything for translation but my wife handled the application side myself I just paid the bill, if Bowie Fan is organising this through RR then Natalia will be able to help.
Bowie Fan - 2012-06-08 11:47 AM
Still a little unclear as regards the requirements for the Russian Marriage Certificate.
When we apply for the Spouse visa, does this certificate need to be notarised and apostilled? Or does it just need to be translated?
I note Malcolm's comment above, but the info on RR seems to suggest that only the translation is necessary:
www.realrussia.co.uk/visas/uk/Check%20List%20for%20Settlement%20(Spouse).pdf
Many thanks
As mentioned above my wife handled the application side for her spouse visa and I paid the bill, however as we are thinking of going to Schengen land we recently got our marriage certificate translated by Yelana at TalkRussia (Very good service) and it was then verified by the Russian Embassy in Edinburgh which suggests your certificate doesn't need to be notarised and apostilled. |
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Location: Redcar & Lermontov Nr Pyatigorsk | muffy - 2012-06-08 2:39 PM
... however as we are thinking of going to Schengen land we recently got our marriage certificate translated by Yelana at TalkRussia (Very good service) and it was then verified by the Russian Embassy in Edinburgh which suggests your certificate doesn't need to be notarised and apostilled.
isn't relevant Neil. |
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Location: London | It doesn't need to be apostilled, just translated. A Russian marriage certificate has no value in the UK apparently apart from applying for a spouse visa |
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