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Russian visa after renunciation
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stuey
Posted 2010-02-09 12:10 PM (#31210 - in reply to #31187)
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Sounds more like a Rodney lol
Mel
Posted 2010-02-09 5:00 PM (#31228 - in reply to #31210)
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My wife tells me that it is extremely difficult to give up your Russian citizenship/nationality, for any russian person..It is also a long process, however, once completed, she thinks that then applying for a visa to visit Russia, will most likely be met with a refusal.......

I personally cannot comment, but I cannot see any point in anyone giving up their culture and heritage whatsoever, which is principally what they are doing....

Are they ashamed, or is there some other ulterior motive.......????????

Malcolm
Posted 2010-02-09 5:51 PM (#31229 - in reply to #31149)
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Moscovite
Posted 2010-02-10 12:56 PM (#31257 - in reply to #31229)
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What if the Russian Embassy will refuse to grant a visa on the reason that a Russian person (by nationality) should not from the start renounce the citizenship (and there is no need to) and if he/she did so why this person wants to go to Russia? And they might suggest to get the citizenship back.
Rasboinik
Posted 2010-02-10 2:08 PM (#31258 - in reply to #31228)
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Mel - 2010-02-10 3:00 AM

My wife tells me that it is extremely difficult to give up your Russian citizenship/nationality, for any russian person..It is also a long process, however, once completed, she thinks that then applying for a visa to visit Russia, will most likely be met with a refusal.......

I personally cannot comment, but I cannot see any point in anyone giving up their culture and heritage whatsoever, which is principally what they are doing....

Are they ashamed, or is there some other ulterior motive.......????????

 

Moscovite - 2010-02-10 10:56 PM

What if the Russian Embassy will refuse to grant a visa on the reason that a Russian person (by nationality) should not from the start renounce the citizenship (and there is no need to) and if he/she did so why this person wants to go to Russia? And they might suggest to get the citizenship back.

 

If you go back through the various posts you will find quite a few silly reasons individuals have given for wanting to renounce Russian  Nationality/Citizenship.

My opinion, based on my understanding of the Russian mentality is that once such a step is taken there will be no going back because the Russian authorities will consider such an action as treason.

So therefore a traitor will not be welcomed back, and that is why there will be no visa issued.

 

Sokol
Posted 2010-02-10 4:19 PM (#31260 - in reply to #31258)
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Rasboinik - 2010-02-10 2:08 PM

My opinion, based on my understanding of the Russian mentality is that once such a step is taken there will be no going back because the Russian authorities will consider such an action as treason.

So therefore a traitor will not be welcomed back, and that is why there will be no visa issued.

 



I do not think that it looks quite simple like this. In some other European countries Germany for instance in order to get German citizenship you have to give up your Russian citizenship. Hence it is not peoples own will in some point when they applying to renounce their citizenship. So taking into account other "friendly" countries say Ukraine, Georgia and so on, I guess such acts of treason will be far more then 100.000. And will be not very wise for Russian State to apply such policy irreflective of existing situation. Besides it is shortage of population in Russia and will be a good idea to attract some compatriots to return back, especially well qualified with Western experience.

So further, when such people for different reasons decide to come back and live in Russia - there is a state program from 2006 exist to repatriate ethnic Russians living abroad. 12 pilot Russian regions participating in the repatriation program. Local authorities provide various type of aid to such migrants (depend on the region), where compatriots will decide to be based, such as employment, guarantees of state fund that they can obtain the mortgages in the banks immediately on the arrival into Russia and Federal Migration Service promises to issue to migrants citizenship according to the simplified diagram in the course of six months and to pay out lift.

I can see no problem with getting back Russian citizenship if you given up it and left country besides possibly criminal and idealogical reasons.
Chris
Posted 2010-02-10 5:16 PM (#31261 - in reply to #31149)
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So therefore a traitor will not be welcomed back, and that is why there will be no visa issued.


Not so, they simply need to prove that they no longer have Russian citizenship and that they are applying for the visa they require on valid grounds. Russian law states that if you are a Russian citizen then you should enter Russia as such and not with a different nationality, same in the UK and pretty much every other country.
Rasboinik
Posted 2010-02-10 9:46 PM (#31268 - in reply to #31261)
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Sokol, Chris,
Thanks for correcting me.
I now stand fully corrected
Chris
Posted 2010-02-10 9:50 PM (#31270 - in reply to #31149)
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Nope it is citizenship you renouce, you can't renounce your nationality - check the Russian constitution. Even so, I hope the question has been answered for you and you don't get bogged down in Semantics.
Rasboinik
Posted 2010-02-10 10:33 PM (#31272 - in reply to #31270)
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Chris,
My misunderstanding has been cleared, thanks.
I know that there is a vast difference between Nationality and Citizenship.
The reason that I used "Nationality/Citizenship" in my post was because of post #31180
Sokol - 2010-02-09 10:19 AM
It says Citizenship in Russian, but for those who does not understand Russian - it says - Nationality in English. LOL


Mind you I still think that renouncing a citizenship for some of the reasons that individuals have suggested on this forum (earlier threads) is silly but that is totally a different issue and not really relevant to this thread.
darianka
Posted 2010-05-26 11:40 PM (#34372 - in reply to #31149)
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No when you renunciate Russian citizenship or any other citizenship you do not deny your nationality or your history or other bullshit. You do it because you are sick and tired of Russian government greedy little hands, who do not give a shit about it's citizens. You know that it costs about a $1000 to renew your russian travelers passport and you need to fly out to what ever state you city belongs to in order to receive your stupid passport. I was born in Russia but i live in America and i am becoming a US citizen proudly- for me it is just to costly and stupid and inconvenient to have russian passport which costs just as much as the ticket. Russia does not like it's citizens, it just doesn't give a damn.
You were able to do your passport with a third party people, who took care of all the paperwork and their charged reasonable prices for their job, not Russian government got so greedy that you need to pay 600 to them to do your damn passport which takes no less then 6 months, then you need to fly out to receive your passport on specific day and times- i need to fly to california from colorado, stay there a night and rent a car, all that pleasure will cost me no less then $600 on top of the stupid passport fee.
Also, the country you were worn in does not construct your identity or your personality- what makes you who you are are your experiences in life and people around you!
Mel
Posted 2010-05-27 5:34 AM (#34374 - in reply to #34372)
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darianka - 2010-05-27 4:40 AM No when you renunciate Russian citizenship or any other citizenship you do not deny your nationality or your history or other bullshit. You do it because you are sick and tired of Russian government greedy little hands, who do not give a shit about it's citizens. You know that it costs about a $1000 to renew your russian travelers passport and you need to fly out to what ever state you city belongs to in order to receive your stupid passport. I was born in Russia but i live in America and i am becoming a US citizen proudly- for me it is just to costly and stupid and inconvenient to have russian passport which costs just as much as the ticket. Russia does not like it's citizens, it just doesn't give a damn. You were able to do your passport with a third party people, who took care of all the paperwork and their charged reasonable prices for their job, not Russian government got so greedy that you need to pay 600 to them to do your damn passport which takes no less then 6 months, then you need to fly out to receive your passport on specific day and times- i need to fly to california from colorado, stay there a night and rent a car, all that pleasure will cost me no less then $600 on top of the stupid passport fee. Also, the country you were worn in does not construct your identity or your personality- what makes you who you are are your experiences in life and people around you!

WOW, someones not a happy trucker...........

Chris
Posted 2010-05-27 9:04 AM (#34384 - in reply to #34372)
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Hi Darinka and welcome

 

Well, some of what you say has merit but dont you consider that your argument is that "the government is Russia" - its not and the government and times will change in Russia.

 

Anyway, good luck on your upcomming citizenship 

stuey
Posted 2010-05-27 12:11 PM (#34388 - in reply to #34372)
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You should live in the UK, you can apply for a passport without having to go to Russia to get it and it costs less than $1000.

darianka - 2010-05-26 11:40 PM

No when you renunciate Russian citizenship or any other citizenship you do not deny your nationality or your history or other bullshit. You do it because you are sick and tired of Russian government greedy little hands, who do not give a shit about it's citizens. You know that it costs about a $1000 to renew your russian travelers passport and you need to fly out to what ever state you city belongs to in order to receive your stupid passport. I was born in Russia but i live in America and i am becoming a US citizen proudly- for me it is just to costly and stupid and inconvenient to have russian passport which costs just as much as the ticket. Russia does not like it's citizens, it just doesn't give a damn.
You were able to do your passport with a third party people, who took care of all the paperwork and their charged reasonable prices for their job, not Russian government got so greedy that you need to pay 600 to them to do your damn passport which takes no less then 6 months, then you need to fly out to receive your passport on specific day and times- i need to fly to california from colorado, stay there a night and rent a car, all that pleasure will cost me no less then $600 on top of the stupid passport fee.
Also, the country you were worn in does not construct your identity or your personality- what makes you who you are are your experiences in life and people around you!
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