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| Yea nothing is very simple - goodness knows how we managed to get married in the first place - my wife had a shed full of paperwork to do in Russia! But to be fair Russians applying for UK visas in Russia have a fair old time of it too! My Mother in Law had to travel a long old way to get to Moscow & had many documents to supply but thankfully visa granted which is not always the case of course.
Well will let you know how we get on - but this time we will just get Private visa as time is short - don't want to miss the Russian heat wave! | |
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Location: Hampshire | What a rigmarole! Luckily for us London is not too much of a problem, but what an inflexible process for most people. If I'm honest Tony, we could probably live without Denis having dual citizenship, but for Olga and her family I think its important from patriotic point of view, and for me whilst the process to achieve it is going to be a right pain in the arse, it will probably save us time and money long term. If a company such as RR could get into bed with the authorities to become approved in managing such applications, I'm sure if would be a popular service. It does make me wonder, for now, if it might be easier to apply for the citizenship here, but wait to apply for the international passport whilst in Russia, where a couple of folded notes will simplify that part of the process at least! Will let you know how we get on. Gary - appreciate the time you took to map out the steps. Thanks | |
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Location: In the Windmills of my mind... | Benny - 2010-08-06 1:59 PM What a rigmarole! Luckily for us London is not too much of a problem, but what an inflexible process for most people. If I'm honest Tony, we could probably live without Denis having dual citizenship, but for Olga and her family I think its important from patriotic point of view, and for me whilst the process to achieve it is going to be a right pain in the arse, it will probably save us time and money long term. If a company such as RR could get into bed with the authorities to become approved in managing such applications, I'm sure if would be a popular service. It does make me wonder, for now, if it might be easier to apply for the citizenship here, but wait to apply for the international passport whilst in Russia, where a couple of folded notes will simplify that part of the process at least! Will let you know how we get on. Gary - appreciate the time you took to map out the steps. Thanks Benny, If you apply for the little ones Russian citizenship in the UK, then you cannot travel with him to Russia WITHOUT a Russian passport for him... You could get it done in Russia in about 3 weeks, it may be worth considering taking hols at a later date for say 3/4 weeks if possible, and get it done then, it would certainly be cheaper and less stress.......... | |
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Location: When at home either Sakhalin Island or Scotland | Benny.
According to my Alla (not Mel's Alla who is a Legal Eagle) it might be worth young Denis' Russian grandparents going to the local registration office and enquiring about starting the process prior to your arrival in Russia.
It might just save you some time. | |
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Location: Hampshire | Mel - 2010-08-06 9:05 AM
Benny, If you apply for the little ones Russian citizenship in the UK, then you cannot travel with him to Russia WITHOUT a Russian passport for him... You could get it done in Russia in about 3 weeks, it may be worth considering taking hols at a later date for say 3/4 weeks if possible, and get it done then, it would certainly be cheaper and less stress..........
Mel - so let me try to understand this....If Denis' Russian Citizenship is obtained in the UK, he cannot travel to Russia using his UK passport with a Russian Visa inside it? As I understood it, obtaining Russian citizenship does not involve any kind of evidence of this being in his UK passport, so how would they know? Or am I wrong. Appreciate the warning as we could (and probably would) have naively tried to do citizenship here, and then the passport in RU having travelled there with a visa. | |
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Location: In the Windmills of my mind... | Benny - 2010-08-06 4:10 PM Mel - 2010-08-06 9:05 AM Benny, If you apply for the little ones Russian citizenship in the UK, then you cannot travel with him to Russia WITHOUT a Russian passport for him... You could get it done in Russia in about 3 weeks, it may be worth considering taking hols at a later date for say 3/4 weeks if possible, and get it done then, it would certainly be cheaper and less stress.......... Benny, and this is only from my interpretation of the Russian laws, (Can ask my good lady for you if I can manage to get an appointment with her.. ), As soon as you register the baby as a Russian citizen, the baby is from that moment a russian citizen if you can catch my drift, and is thereby, NOT allowed to obtain, or travel into Russia with a visa or foreign passport, ok, so its just possible that no one will know, but if it did come to light, then there could be trouble ahead.......The baby, once a Russian citizen, is only allowed to travel into Russia on a Russian passport.... From the info that I have, and dependant on where in Russia you will visit/stay, it takes a couple of hours to register the baby in the Zags as being a Russian citizen, then, with the correct doc's all filled in, off down to the local Ovir/FMS, and apply for the baby to be inserted into the mothers internal passport, this can take a few days at the most, then apply, using an agency and paying a little extra, apply for the babys international passport which will take around a week........ Remember, this is only from my interpretation of the rules etc, but I will try to get a more difinitive answer for you later into the weekend... HTH...
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Location: Hampshire | Many thanks Mel. Slip her a drop of Champinski and I'm sure she'll be all ears! Enjoy your weekend
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Location: In the Windmills of my mind... | Benny - 2010-08-07 2:13 AM Many thanks Mel. Slip her a drop of Champinski and I'm sure she'll be all ears! Enjoy your weekend My wife has looked at the Russian laws covering the subject of registering your baby in Russia, and although it is an easy process, it could take anywhere from 1 week, and up to 6 months to complete, though in most cases, the former is the most likely, she therefore reccomends that you use the Russian consulate in London, because of the uncertainty of Russian burocracy........... You may be lucky, and get it all done quickly, but you may not, and once the baby is registered as a Russian citizen, it is illegal to take the baby out of Russia without a Russian international passport... She feels that its better and wiser, not to take such a risk....... These laws, are not her specialist area, and she has only very quickly read through them, and given her opinion...... HTH... Mel...
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Location: NW UK/ Urals | Hi Benny. Here my experience of the registration process. We registered our baby in Izhevsk, Russia a few months ago. Getting the birth registered at ZAGS was easy, they were even helpful. Very surprising for a Russian government office. We got all the necessary documents translated by a local translation agency. We asked the ZAGS/UFMS which translator they recommended and they said any certified one will do. Next stop was the dreaded UFMS. This wasn't much fun. Hours and hours of queuing with nobody knowing which room to go to, and the staff knowing nothing about their jobs. The women in the UFMS wasn't happy that I was British, and tried to say that I needed a letter from the British Embassy to prove my baby didn't already have British citizenship. Eventually, after a lot of screaming by my wife, we got the Russian citizenship letter, which came on what looked like a small piece of toilet paper. She also inserted my babies details into my wifes internal Russian passport. We then applied for the Russian international passport for baby. This took a couple of weeks to arrive. My next stop, in a couple of weeks, is to head for the British Embassy in Moscow to get baby a British passport and birth certificate. Hopefully this won't be much of a problem. If I had to do all this again, then I would probably want to get all the documents done in England. I think it would be much cheaper and simpler this way. | |
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Location: Hampshire | Mel thanks, and udmart1 - all in all enough to persuade us to do the whole lot here in Blighty! | |
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| Baby's Citizenship documents collected today, russian passport applied for immediately afterwards (following a quick trip round the corner to get a photocopy of the birth certificate and citizenship documents). | |
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| Thank you so much to everyone who posted this valuable information in this thread. It made the whole process a bit clearer to me. I would appreciate if someone answers a couple of questions to me.
I will be applying for my daughter's citizenship. Dad British, I have 2 passports, British and Russian.
Do they need to see my British passport? My Russian passport is relatively new and has no ILR in it, its empty.
Do they keep all the British passports at the embassy? My appointment is on the 10th September and I have to travel with my daughter (on our British passports) on the 18th of September.
Also, did you book appointment for passport application in advance exactly 4 weeks after the citizenship appointment?
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Location: In the Windmills of my mind... | dinaglen - 2010-08-12 3:24 PM Thank you so much to everyone who posted this valuable information in this thread. It made the whole process a bit clearer to me. I would appreciate if someone answers a couple of questions to me. I will be applying for my daughter's citizenship. Dad British, I have 2 passports, British and Russian. Do they need to see my British passport? My Russian passport is relatively new and has no ILR in it, its empty. Do they keep all the British passports at the embassy? My appointment is on the 10th September and I have to travel with my daughter (on our British passports) on the 18th of September. Also, did you book appointment for passport application in advance exactly 4 weeks after the citizenship appointment? Please re-read all of the above posts.......... | |
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| Mel, I have re-read, however am a bit confused as I didn't find any answers still. I am not travelling to Russia on a British Passport. We are going to Cyprus for 2 weeks and all I need is to make sure that after applying for citizenship they give me all British Passports back. I have no plans to go to Russia at all. | |
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Location: In the Windmills of my mind... | dinaglen - 2010-08-12 6:24 PM Mel, I have re-read, however am a bit confused as I didn't find any answers still. I am not travelling to Russia on a British Passport. We are going to Cyprus for 2 weeks and all I need is to make sure that after applying for citizenship they give me all British Passports back. I have no plans to go to Russia at all. Your post indicated that you may of been travelling to Russia, thats all.... Enjoy Cyprus, I always did when I went there....... | |
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | dinaglen - 2010-08-12 10:24 AM
I will be applying for my daughter's citizenship. Dad British, I have 2 passports, British and Russian.
Do they need to see my British passport? My Russian passport is relatively new and has no ILR in it, its empty.
No, you only need to provide your Russian International passport. However, you need to prove residency in the UK which is usually provided by way of an FLR or ILR visa but as you have a British Passport then I would assume this can be used to prove your UK residency status.
Do they keep all the British passports at the embassy?
As well as taking along your original passports to show them, you also provide photocopies of any required passports. They only keep hold of the copies and not the originals which you get given back immediately.
Also, did you book appointment for passport application in advance exactly 4 weeks after the citizenship appointment?
You can't book more than one appointment at a time so you will need to book the passport application appointment as soon as you get back home from attending the citizenship application appointment. Book this at least 4 weeks after the citizenship application documents were submitted and not before.
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| Thank you Gary. I remember someone mentioning that although ridiculous, but British passport might not be a good proof for the russians. I guess I will have to be a guinea pig and wait and see what happens Not sure if they will want it translated as well... I hope not, as they didn't ask you to translate ILR visa. I will bring my old russian passport with ILR in it just in case.
Do they verify all the translations at the citizenship appointment? I don't have to book Notary appointment for that prior to my citizenship appointment, do I?
Have you managed to go to Russia yet after all this ordeal? I presume your wife is from St Petersburg, which is where I am from Hopefully next time I take my daughter there, she will be travelling on her own russian passport.
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Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia | dinaglen - 2010-08-17 9:24 AM
I remember someone mentioning that although ridiculous, but British passport might not be a good proof for the russians. I guess I will have to be a guinea pig and wait and see what happens Not sure if they will want it translated as well... I hope not, as they didn't ask you to translate ILR visa. I will bring my old russian passport with ILR in it just in case.
While you now have a British Passport, I believe the ILR visa in your old Russian passport is still valid and doesn't get cancelled just because you have acquired British Citizenship. It would therefore probably be best not to submit your British Passport at all because they might just try and make it awkward for you if they see you have dual citizenship. Instead I would just submit your old Russian passport (and a copy of it) showing your ILR visa which is proof of residence in the UK which actually states "Residence Permit" at the top of it. You also won't need to get that translated as it's not required to translate a UK ILR visa in a Russian passport.
Do they verify all the translations at the citizenship appointment? I don't have to book Notary appointment for that prior to my citizenship appointment, do I?
The verification of any translations is done during the citizenship appointment so you don't need to make a separate appojntment for this.
Have you managed to go to Russia yet after all this ordeal? I presume your wife is from St Petersburg, which is where I am from Hopefully next time I take my daughter there, she will be travelling on her own russian passport.
My wife is from Nikolskoye (~20km south-east of SPb) and we flew to St. Petersburg 10 days ago with our daughter using her Russian Passport with no problems at all. I arrived back in the UK yesterday but they are still currently out there. I'll be going back there again in 10 days time and we'll all then be returning back to the UK together a week later (I had to come back temporarily due to work) but we don't expect any problems on the way back to the UK either
You might already know this but don't forget that once your daughter has dual British-Russian citizenship, when you travel to Russia with your daughter you will also need to take both her Russian and British passports with you. You will leave the UK and enter Russia on her Russian Passport, then leave Russia again on her Russian Passport but when you enter the UK you will go through UK Border Control using her British Passport (because she is British Citizen and has no UK Visa in her Russian passport).
Edited by GaryM 2010-08-17 11:39 AM
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